Interesting Rumors
Here's some interesting rumors I've heard lately...well, actually two of these I've been able to confirm. I am trying to confirm the rest as quickly as I can! Can you guess which two are verified as true?
1. A website at www.realarubajustice.ru was up from 03/01 to 03/04. It had news photos of Paulus, Joran, the Kalpoes, and Steve Croes, and each had a bounty: $20,000 U.S. for Paulus DEAD, $30,000 for K2 and Steve Croes DEAD, and $100,000 for Joran DEAD. The website was traced to Bialystok, Poland (the .ru is domain suffix for Russian websites).
2. Joe Mammana has taken some of his wealth and invested it in stocks so that he has a steady supply of money to pay his PIs for investigating and watching the van der Sloots.
3. Some of Holloway-Twitty supporters are raising money to buy and donate a copy of Dave's book to the public library of each state capitol in the U.S.
4. Joe Mammana is going to buy some of Dave's books, get them autographed, and auction them off to help Dave get his Natalee Holloway Foundation off the ground financially (the foundation is non-profit but this qualifies as a donation).
5. There is an upcoming America's Most Wanted that will be all about Natalee and her family's efforts, ordeal, and future plans. I understand it will air Memorial Day weekend.
6. One group of concerned Americans are investigating the legalities and lawfulness of encouraging an all-out political revolution and governmental overthrow in Aruba from the U.S.
1. A website at www.realarubajustice.ru was up from 03/01 to 03/04. It had news photos of Paulus, Joran, the Kalpoes, and Steve Croes, and each had a bounty: $20,000 U.S. for Paulus DEAD, $30,000 for K2 and Steve Croes DEAD, and $100,000 for Joran DEAD. The website was traced to Bialystok, Poland (the .ru is domain suffix for Russian websites).
2. Joe Mammana has taken some of his wealth and invested it in stocks so that he has a steady supply of money to pay his PIs for investigating and watching the van der Sloots.
3. Some of Holloway-Twitty supporters are raising money to buy and donate a copy of Dave's book to the public library of each state capitol in the U.S.
4. Joe Mammana is going to buy some of Dave's books, get them autographed, and auction them off to help Dave get his Natalee Holloway Foundation off the ground financially (the foundation is non-profit but this qualifies as a donation).
5. There is an upcoming America's Most Wanted that will be all about Natalee and her family's efforts, ordeal, and future plans. I understand it will air Memorial Day weekend.
6. One group of concerned Americans are investigating the legalities and lawfulness of encouraging an all-out political revolution and governmental overthrow in Aruba from the U.S.
posted by Dan in Tx | 10:38 AM
54 Comments:
texan, the answer lies at the roulette table.
So Shango said, whisper.
"Ask the dicemen who roll" what happened to Mary. I shall have to look over all of Shango's posts again and see if my interpretation of him has changed since last June.
Shango also asked, "Do the Babylonians make movies?", which is interesting because I've heard several accusations that Freddy Arambatzis films these parties (one such accuser was Jossy Mansur), and that leads me to wonder why, in the leaked transcripts, why did K2 say that Freddy needed to come clean?
I wonder...who did Freddy work for? Wait a minute- doesn't Michael Posner have a rap sheet that includes prostitution charges in Chicago?
is freddy's purse tied to the black numbers/////
texan, the answer is in the numbers 01 06 05
who are the other guests at that charade?
Whisper, your posts intrigue me quite a bit. My blog e-mail is lionhunter053005@yahoo.com; by all means feel free to use it.
Remember, right now all we need is the name of who Natalee was with after Joran and the Kalpoes...we are certain they are not the end of the trail!
Grey Whisper
Who was at the roulette table? and did Guido work that table?
Grey Whisper:
Simian also spoke of the casino...care to interpret for me?
Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape. Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week.
After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him. This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
Grey Whisper:
Care to tell what happened on June 1, 2005 (01 06 05)?
Forgive me if I am wrong, but doesn't a croupier sweep the dice with the stick after they are rolled?
texan, never mind the monkeys- their dance is that of les innocents..
So Shango and Simian don't know what they're talking about?
who's really to say, texan.. like your old amusing friend Koko, they are all really just someone's wind-up toy, aren't they?
whose purse was covering the spread at the tables that night? you never win when your opponent has three black aces up his sleeve
are you merien or simian? http://fan.ashke.nu/innocents/ http://www.moviesunlimited.com/musite/product.asp?sku=D39571++
grey whisper, would the real export be porn videos?
Grey Whisper:
You said:
whose purse was covering the spread at the tables that night? you never win when your opponent has three black aces up his sleeve
There are only two black aces in a deck, could these be "black" people you speak of? First Roulette, then the croupier from craps and now cards....
you said it was freddy's purse....
So Whisper is a Koko fan eh? Or does Koko have a doppelganger like Simian did? Koko isn't welcome here so let's hope not.
The real export is porn...or girls...or both.
So Whisper...DO the Babylonians make movies? Read Dave's book- he saw one of the places Freddy works.
grey whisper, were the boys back in the casino on June 1? Did Freddy have alot of money to spend? Was he paid for a job he did? Filming perhaps? Was the roulette manager crooked and cheating? June 1st they boys were questioned by the police is this where the charade begins with the ALE?
simian and koko are just as their handles imply- low level primates making noise to distract... the real players at this masquerade ball are smarter, but less deft of foot than they may believe.
Are the sentries really asleep at the watchtower? The figure at this ball may turn lead to gold, but he's no prince charming.
I have a feeling that the whisper is about to start hollering and think that would be his own fool's errand.
come on whisper holler if you want too. lead to gold eh? i believe i know who you are talking about.
What is it croupier that you don't wish grey whisper to reveal? Are you afraid that he would expose the fetid underbelly of the island before it sinks?
loaded dice(lead) means money(gold)sentries at the watchtower are the keepers of the casino video system? guido=prince charming
does gvcs dad over see those cameras?
did the little pimps have a thing going to win at the casino? freddys purse was covered by cheating.. guido covered it. was this it or was this a cover to make drug money earnings look like money won at the casino? croupier looks upset.
is the real export laundered money?
is croupier threatening to make grey whisper holler? holler hmmm sounds like a more southern term than one would use in aruba.
is it possible nats cousing george discovered they were cheating and threatened to tell? they said she owed them money to make up for money maybe they lost. so they took her for this reason?
He thrusts his fists into the posts but still insists he sees the ghosts.
Crickets always chirp eventually, don't they?
grey whisper, ignore the croupier. once you come out with your words of wisdom i think he'll be the silent one!
Are there crickets in Aruba? Or do they play cricket there, maybe??? Is there grass near Joran's house or is it on a beach?
Did Joran play cricket? If so, who are his team mates?
I think crickets chirping means somebody will have to talk eventually. Care to shed some light on this, Whisper?
FREDDY'S MONEY TURNED TO GOLD ON 060105. HE HAD ENOUGH MONEY TO COVER THE SPREAD ON THE ROULETTE TABLE KNOWING GUIDO'S "LEAD FOOT," WOULD ENSURE THE WINNINGS ON BLACK. THERE WAS TAPE BUT WHERE IS THE TAPE NOW?
the talisman in his hand is running out of charms. the broomsticks are enchanted, but their master may regret the dance now that it has been set in motion
Satish is the one alleged to have seen ghosts...I thought Joran was the one who punched posts? Satish may have to talk soon....dutch forensics team has verified skeeter's tape of deepak's interview.
Grey whisper, Is Satish the cricket who will chirp?
Another question whats up with David Wever 19, Is he the david that left the den alive? very interesting person and some interesting friends.
who is the talisman, grey whisper? one of the suspects whos luck is running out? Joran, Freddy,Deepak, Satish? Are the broomsticks the supporters of corruption, the ALE? Jorans little pimp group? They set this little dance in motion and Papa aided. How can it be stopped?
just came back from an out of country location where i could not use the internet without unwanted results. tell me, is the cricket ready to chirp?
No such luck, Whisper, but apparently Oduber is ready to thumb his nose on the Netherlands and become Hugo Chavez's new best friend.
That cricket won't chirp until someone catches him and pulls off his legs and makes him chirp. Not going to happen while lions control the government, Whisper. What I want to know is when will the Arawaks realize that even enough small spears will kill lions?
Touche, my old friend. I believe that you are an old spirit 'Lion Hunter' and as such understand well what it takes to fell one...
Others are not so in-tune, they've never realized that their 'answer lies on the whispering wind'. The question, for the love of God is will they ever listen to the truths before them?
Crickets can't chirp if you pull their legs off, that is what produces the chirping sound, the male cricket rubbing his legs together. The real question is are they protecting an arawak or a dutchie?
Whisper, the Arawak have THEIR wagons circled, and they just want the cowboys to forget about our lost, beloved Mary. They don't know that Mary is a household name among the cowboys- and I think the Babylonians want to keep THAT truth from them as well.
It is important that the Arubans realize that Oduber and the MEP are doing them no favors- but how do we tell them that the Americans are their allies and only want Natalee found- which will not happen until the government and ALE are purged of corruption by whatever means necessary? The Arubans will be much better off with Oduber and his lapdogs removed.
I think that is how you hunt lions- take away their protectors and let the lion-hunting cowboys take over.
Here's a novel idea. Grey Whisper, why don't you just tell us in plain understable words what it is that we don't see, so we can put this to rest and Aruba can get on with its life, as can the rest of us?
You have to have patience to hunt lions, and mine disappeared at the year mark. There is something respectable about being forthright, don't you think?
Koen is the cricket. He needs to stop crying in his parents' bed and to start chirping.
Or maybe it is Joran or Freddy the child molester?
Whisper- is this cricket of a native species or imported from elsewhere?
I'm going on vacation this week, Whisper. Don't get discouraged if I don't post your clues in that time.
Aruba has a government? When did this happen? lol Blue
deb, you are a class 'a' asshole. your degrading remarks are an insult to the millions of fine americans who work in service and tourism industries. Their behavior is not 'butt kissing' but your attitude is butt headed. The good people like Dan whose thoughts are with Natalee don't an arsehole like you representing them. I'm ashamed to be an American with remarks like that. God bless the good people of every nation, and may he teach dough-heads like you that it is indeed the meek who shall inherit the earth.
Deb first sent that post to my e-mail address (lionhunter053005@yahoo.com), which I encourage people to use. I told her to please post it on the blog. Why? Because in my opinion Deb really doesn't say anything unduly hateful or untrue about Aruba. Anonymous, understand that the hatred many of us feel toward Aruba is not directed against the common Aruban or even the average American travel agent (although we would obviously prefer that you do not recommend Aruba). Our anger is directed at the Aruban government- specifically the MEP and PM Nelson Oduber, who not only refuses to ensure a competent, honest investigation but also prefers to kowtow to a very anti-American petty dictator named Hugo Chavez. This is two counts that the MEP party and Aruba's current leader have against them: given their utter refusal to bring the FBI or the Dutch into the investiagtion in a truly active role and their preference toward Venezuela over not only the U.S. but even Holland too, how can you say that Aruba has any real concern about the U.S. or its citizens who visit beyond the $$$ we drop there?
No, we're not upset with the Aruban people for this mess (and by 'we' I mean the Holloway-Twitty family and the millions of Americans who you couldn't pay to go to Aruba now). But as Aruban columnists have even said in reference to the mounting discontent with the MEP party in Aruba: a nation gets the government it deserves. I hope Aruba will rememeber that when the next elections come up...or even sooner. I personally advocate an outright revolution and overthrow of the MEP party, for Aruba's own good.
Another thing that I want you to understand is that the issue we have with Aruba is not what happened to Natalee, but rather how suspiciously and unfairly the investigation has been handled from day one. No law enforcement can be as inept as the ALE seems to be, which leads me to believe that the whole department is corrupt and does not work for the people of Aruba or her visitors at all. Just read Dave's book and see how many times ALE officers and investigators questioned the family about unfounded internet rumors, asked for bribe money, or did exactly the opposite of what a honest investigator would do.
And ask yourself if you could sell anyone a travel package to Aruba without any doubts in your mind that you did the right thing.
Jeez,you haven't said anything in almost two months, Dan/ Did you give up on the truth. I shizzle hope not! Bring the word, brother!
the calm sometimes belies the storm on the horizon. The watchmen keep their vigil.
dan when are u going to update us on the case? I've been waiting for months!!
Dan, I was curious; did you lose interest in this case or something? I keep waiting for an update and you haven't posted one in months.. where is your new website?
Thanks in advance!
Not a chance, Patricia! This effort to bring Natalee home, alive and safe (yes I fully subscribe to the notion that she was sold into prostitution and that the MEP did everything in their power to make people think murder because the truth was far more damaging) is like a swan: it looks quiet but under the surface there's a lot of furious paddling.
There are literally dozens of people working with Beth and Dave every day, and I am lucky enough to be one of them. So a lot of my time and energy goes to that- not to my blog. Again let me remind you that this blog is just temporary- eventually it will all be at www.truthfornatalee.com, and more.
All may not be as quiet as it seems. The house band plays a merry tango, but who has space on their dance card?
I was wondering where Whisper went. Now I wonder when Whisper is just going to come out and just e-mail myself or Dave or Beth with what he knows and drop the Shango-esque hints.
It might be all fun and games to Whisper but he's no Shango and all this could be resolved for Natalee's family and Aruba if someone on Aruba had the balls to just tell the truth, flat out and without pretense.
I am curious to know if Whisper thinks Natalee was killed on Aruba or if she met a much different fate...?
the grey whisper said...
whose purse was covering the spread at the tables that night? you never win when your opponent has three black aces up his sleeve
...Never? What if someone with more intelligence takes out the opponent before he has a chance to play again? The dominoes would fall and the intelligent one would be the hero not only to a family but to a nation. Grey, if you can help, please be a hero.
natalee holloway i think is still alive but not on the island. i think she ran off to live on her own or is in south america being held againt her will. i think her family should pay a guy or guys like in the movie man on fire to go in and find her. someone knows in aruba about natalee, ther is no doubt about that . they need to use force to find her. i hope they do . asking for help doesnt work. i gues if there life was at risk , they just might tell the truth. people in special forces are well capable of finding natalee . hire them & get to the truth.
I believe she was kidnapped for one of Lorenzo van Rijn's parties, and sold into slavery afterwards. Otherwise why would the Aruban government say she was murdered again and again with no proof, all the time watching their tourism go down the drain bit by bit?
There are scandals more shocking than a rape / murder aren't there?
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