You're Dealing with an Aruban if...
- they think that Google dictactes what is considered a subversive or 'hate' website (FYI Aruba: only the U.S. government can dictate that. Flagging a blog as offensive when the author hasn't violated the Terms of Service just makes more work for the blogsite staff- and makes you look like morons);
- they are blissfully unaware or possibly in denial of the many, many reports of drug traffic, organized crime and money laundering, and even human trafficking associated with Aruba and the rest of the Netherland Antilles;
- they are secretly very upset about how their own government and ALE have handled Natalee's disappearance and the investigation, but they lack the courage to demand better from their own elected officials. They whine and cry about how unfair Aruba is depicted, failing to realize that they have always had the power to resolve this themselves simply by holding their own government and investigators to a much higher standard;
- if you ask them to explain what the Dutch mean by 'the Aruba Problem', they act like they have no idea what you're talking about;
- they think they are entitled to some kind of weird double standard: they should be able to say anything they want about a girl who cannot defend herself and her family but Heaven forbid Natalee's family or their supporters offer any criticism at all about anything Aruba! They can criticize what is wrong in the U.S. but any criticism of their own government and ALE is unacceptable. They should be able to post pro-Aruba blogs and websites left and right but if an anti-Aruba website goes up, oh no it is a hate site;
- they think they live in a free country when in reality they have no grasp of the full extent and depth of the First Amendment;
- they whine and cry about how they've done everything they can when in fact they have failed to do the two most important things: include the FBI as full partners into the investigation (and no it is not against any Dutch or Aruban law to do this- there is just no precedence to do it. There is a difference), and demand an immediate impartial internal audit of ALE's past and present performance;
- they do not understand what an impartial, competent, corruption-free law enforcement is really like because they have none themselves but are quick to say, "O.J. Simpson" and "Michael Jackson" if their system comes under attack;
- they claim they live on a 'safe, happy island' where everybody knows everybody else (including the drug dealers and criminals according to Walter), yet somehow nobody saw anything the night Natale disappeared and nobody knows anything important;
- they think the Dutch are their friends and have Aruba's best interests at heart;
- they don't realize that their elected government exists to serve the Dutch interests in Aruba, not those of the citizenry in general;
- their media figures and elected officials say things like, "She deserved it", "Natalee's disappearance is insignificant", and "I'm sick and tired of this (Natalee Holloway investigation)";
- they spend untold florins on spin doctors and more advertising at the drop of a hat, yet take their sweet time in arranging new searches and questioning new suspects and witnesses (or should I say 'witlesses' in this case);
- they support the four people who are ultimately responsible for all of this (who aren't even Aruban) when they should be running them off the island on a rail;
- somehow it is all the victim's fault, and her family's. Despite the fact that Natalee disappeared on their island at the hands of their residents, their investigators have screwed everything up and their government refuses to force an honest and competent investigation, the blame lies in the U.S. They prefer to point out what is wrong in the U.S. instead of taking a good, hard, honest look at the realities of their own society;
- they get upset when faced with the fact that Americans have absolutely no obligation to go to Aruba on vacation. To them, it was never about Natalee. It was always about U.S. dollars.
- they accuse Americans of being arrogant when the fact is we put food on their tables, plain and simple;
- they talk about how relations between the U.S. and Aruba have been so good until Natalee disappeared (which is true), but fail to realize that we want Natalee found now.
- they do not understand that Beth and Dave just want to know what happened to their daughter- they don't care about justice, they don't care who did what to Natalee, they don't want to punish Aruba for what a few sumbags did. They just want to know Natalee's fate;
and finally,
- they possess a singular and unwavering inability to realize that, fair or unfair, as ugly as it may be, what I posted in 'Get a Clue, Aruba!' is the way things are right now between Aruba and the U.S. Nothing short of showing Americans that we are wrong about Aruba by finding Natalee at any cost and demonstrating that we are wrong will convince us that we are wrong.
- they are blissfully unaware or possibly in denial of the many, many reports of drug traffic, organized crime and money laundering, and even human trafficking associated with Aruba and the rest of the Netherland Antilles;
- they are secretly very upset about how their own government and ALE have handled Natalee's disappearance and the investigation, but they lack the courage to demand better from their own elected officials. They whine and cry about how unfair Aruba is depicted, failing to realize that they have always had the power to resolve this themselves simply by holding their own government and investigators to a much higher standard;
- if you ask them to explain what the Dutch mean by 'the Aruba Problem', they act like they have no idea what you're talking about;
- they think they are entitled to some kind of weird double standard: they should be able to say anything they want about a girl who cannot defend herself and her family but Heaven forbid Natalee's family or their supporters offer any criticism at all about anything Aruba! They can criticize what is wrong in the U.S. but any criticism of their own government and ALE is unacceptable. They should be able to post pro-Aruba blogs and websites left and right but if an anti-Aruba website goes up, oh no it is a hate site;
- they think they live in a free country when in reality they have no grasp of the full extent and depth of the First Amendment;
- they whine and cry about how they've done everything they can when in fact they have failed to do the two most important things: include the FBI as full partners into the investigation (and no it is not against any Dutch or Aruban law to do this- there is just no precedence to do it. There is a difference), and demand an immediate impartial internal audit of ALE's past and present performance;
- they do not understand what an impartial, competent, corruption-free law enforcement is really like because they have none themselves but are quick to say, "O.J. Simpson" and "Michael Jackson" if their system comes under attack;
- they claim they live on a 'safe, happy island' where everybody knows everybody else (including the drug dealers and criminals according to Walter), yet somehow nobody saw anything the night Natale disappeared and nobody knows anything important;
- they think the Dutch are their friends and have Aruba's best interests at heart;
- they don't realize that their elected government exists to serve the Dutch interests in Aruba, not those of the citizenry in general;
- their media figures and elected officials say things like, "She deserved it", "Natalee's disappearance is insignificant", and "I'm sick and tired of this (Natalee Holloway investigation)";
- they spend untold florins on spin doctors and more advertising at the drop of a hat, yet take their sweet time in arranging new searches and questioning new suspects and witnesses (or should I say 'witlesses' in this case);
- they support the four people who are ultimately responsible for all of this (who aren't even Aruban) when they should be running them off the island on a rail;
- somehow it is all the victim's fault, and her family's. Despite the fact that Natalee disappeared on their island at the hands of their residents, their investigators have screwed everything up and their government refuses to force an honest and competent investigation, the blame lies in the U.S. They prefer to point out what is wrong in the U.S. instead of taking a good, hard, honest look at the realities of their own society;
- they get upset when faced with the fact that Americans have absolutely no obligation to go to Aruba on vacation. To them, it was never about Natalee. It was always about U.S. dollars.
- they accuse Americans of being arrogant when the fact is we put food on their tables, plain and simple;
- they talk about how relations between the U.S. and Aruba have been so good until Natalee disappeared (which is true), but fail to realize that we want Natalee found now.
- they do not understand that Beth and Dave just want to know what happened to their daughter- they don't care about justice, they don't care who did what to Natalee, they don't want to punish Aruba for what a few sumbags did. They just want to know Natalee's fate;
and finally,
- they possess a singular and unwavering inability to realize that, fair or unfair, as ugly as it may be, what I posted in 'Get a Clue, Aruba!' is the way things are right now between Aruba and the U.S. Nothing short of showing Americans that we are wrong about Aruba by finding Natalee at any cost and demonstrating that we are wrong will convince us that we are wrong.
posted by Dan in Tx | 10:47 AM
22 Comments:
Great post.
There will be no justice until each one of these pro-Aruban bloggers has been dealt with accordingly under applicable law.
I actually am glad these people are at least getting a taste of what real freedom of spech is like- they can't experience this in Aruba.
They're really not the problem...ALE, their government, and the Netherlands are the problem.
I think that the majority of Aruban people have absolutely nothing but sympathy for the Holloway family. I also expect that most of them figure that some or all of the suspects are guilty. It is not their fault if the evidence isn't there for a conviction.. I hope it is, but regardless, you have no right to make generalizations and slurs or play the bully. It just doesn't help the situation.
What are these Aruban bloggers doinf that requies legal intervention? How do I get to their blogs?
The pro-Aruban blogs aren't doing anything that is against any laws that I know of- in the U.S. at least. I am convinced that Aruba does not really have any true freedom of speech, so in a way I'm glad thay can start blogs through the U.S. and actually get a taste of real freedom of speech.
I do need to clarify some things, though. yes most Arubans do have all sympathy for the Holloways and Twittys- in fact, at the TES rally I attended in Houston, Tim Miller, Joe Huston, a lot of TES Aruba veterans, and Beth all said the SAME THING: the Aruban people were great, the government and ALE gave them nothing but grief. Trust me, despite posts like this one, I am well aware that the problem lies with the government and the ALE- the Dutch who pull all Aruba's strings, really. Just remember, Arubans: if you ain't Dutch then (to the Dutch) you ain't much.
In reality, one large, well-organized, spirited protest of the government and the ALE would do a lot to resolve this. Have the Arubans failed to do this beacuse they still support the people who allowed the suspects to get away for so long? Is it because the Arubans are apathetic? Is it because they're afraid to?
Dan, can't wait to hear your thoughts on the 48 hours show.
Well, I will first say I spent a few hours Saturday reading through 84 pages of articles about organized crime, drug trade and (to a much lesser extent) human trafficvking and forced prostitution in Aruba, so I will post "Drug Dealers, Mobsters, and Pimps, Oh My!" as promised...even though those 84 pages are a fraction of what I've accumulated.
As for 48 Hours, it is pretty clear to me that Dumbpig is doing everything he can to exonerate Joran from any wrongdoing- you see, he knows he can't pin a crime on the Kalpeos because they will rat Joran out bigtime if push comes to shove. So he is revisiting the 'accidental OD in Joran's presence' theory again- this totally exonerates Joran from any wrongdoing except for panicking (which is utter BS) and keep K2 out of prosecution and possibly squealing on Joran. Consider these two things as well: first, K2's lawyer pretty calmly said to expect a trial later this summer...to me, that seems like an odd thing for a defense attorney to say about his own clients and indicates to me he knows something we don't that he has a lot of confidence in. Second, I find it suspicious that Dumbpig is saying Natalee died acidentally again so soon after John Q's comment about hoping a trial would turn K2 against VDS. VERY suspicious timing, my anonymous friend!
I want to share two things with you guys. First, read what my compadre Gene Bernat posted at http://www.therepublic.us/blog/
view_post.one?pid=27227 and think about this in the context of Dumbpig's most recent load of crap. Second, read the last paragraph of the editorial Gene sent to Catribbean Net News; I think it sums Aruba's known qualities up perfectly:
1. tourism,
2. lie,
3. take no responsibility (you'll see a lot of this in the drug traffic articles I'll quote- why it isn't Aruba's fault that drugs go through there so much),
4. money over justice (even the Arubans are concerned that money seems to buy justice in Aruba these days- if you're Dutch),
5. pride to a fault (inherited from the Dutch for sure- just ask anyone familiar with Dutch culture)
Thanks Dan for your comments about the 48 hours show. I personally think all 3 know what they did to cause Natalee's demise. I also think Paulus and others help get rid of her body.
That's what I think.
I also think that whatever happened to Natalee happened at Jorans house. I think others may have been there. I heard he had a friend that was spending the nite at his apartment that night. Not sure if this is true or not. Also, rumor has it that Paulus took money out of a ATM that night around 4:00 AM. Do nto know if that is true or not. So many things that we do not know for certain.
I also beleive that Natalee possibly threw up in Deepaks car that night.
I also beleive that whiel Natalee was at Jorans ouse that he may have put a pillow over her heard to quiet her becuase he though she woudl wake his dad. I do nto think that whatever they were trying to do to her was consenual and she may have been yelling for them to stop and thats when he put a pillow over her face to quiet her. She smothered. That's my take. When she quit breathering then Joran panicked. He got his dad and made up some bullcrap and from that point on the coverup began including the getting rid of the body. If it did nto happen the way I said then the only other thing is that she did indeed go into a comma from the drugs and alcohol and she may have even been buiried alive. Who knows. Either way if they had called an ambulance or took her to a hospital she may not have died. If they did nothing wrong then why hide the body. ???
They all shoudl go to jail for murder. Thats what I think whether she died accidently or not !
So tell me what you think . thanks. !!
Loved your post DAN...loved it. !!
A FEW OF US AROUND HAVE SOME SITES OF OUR OWN. Gotta love it. !!
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http://maryspritecasey.blogspot.com/
http://justicefornataleeholloway
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http://newdatinggame.blogspot.com/
ARUBA SUX. Let them sell tulips !!
There's no money in tulips- but they can probably make a killing selling Mr. Pink's videos. And I bet Freddy Arambatzis gets a LOT of money for his kiddie porn on the black market.
YOU KNOW YOU'RE DEALING WITH A BACKWARDS HILLBILLY IG'RANT GEEK WHEN:
Said person repeatedly shows themselves to make wide sweeping generalizations about an entire nation when said generalizations would be seen by the more intelligent side of the world to apply just as much to his own homeland.
Said person advertises some 'truth' but offers only slander and vague references
Said person rambles incoherently about the snake bites and guns he dreams of nightly
Said person fondly references his pappy's livestock.
Said person has his own yugio / dungeons and dragons/ pokemon blog that not even other geeks frequent.
Said person will have erased this comment in tears before you have a chance to be entertained by it on your next visit.
Porbecito!!
Koko, you really are bananas!!! You go, Monkey!
Pokemon and Yugi-Oh eh?
OK that post can stay up just because it made me laugh.
I hate CCGs.
Oh! Don't forget to mention anime, MUCKs, LARPS, Renaissance Festivals, Star Trek cons, and all those other geeky things! Don't forget those!
Morons.
Reposting...hoping you will give your take on this. thanks!
Thanks Dan for your comments about the 48 hours show. I personally think all 3 know what they did to cause Natalee's demise. I also think Paulus and others help get rid of her body.
That's what I think.
I also think that whatever happened to Natalee happened at Jorans house. I think others may have been there. I heard he had a friend that was spending the nite at his apartment that night. Not sure if this is true or not. Also, rumor has it that Paulus took money out of a ATM that night around 4:00 AM. Do nto know if that is true or not. So many things that we do not know for certain.
I also beleive that Natalee possibly threw up in Deepaks car that night.
I also beleive that while Natalee was at Jorans house that he may have put a pillow over her heard to quiet her because he thought she would wake his dad. I do not think that whatever they were trying to do to her was consenual and she may have been yelling for them to stop and thats when he put a pillow over her face to quiet her. She smothered. That's my take. When she quit breathering then Joran panicked. He got his dad and made up some bullcrap and from that point on the coverup began including the getting rid of the body. If it did not happen the way I said then the only other thing is that she did indeed go into a comma from the drugs and alcohol and she may have even been buiried alive. Who knows. Either way if they had called an ambulance or took her to a hospital she may not have died. If they did nothing wrong then why hide the body. ???
They all should go to jail for murder. Thats what I think whether she died accidently or not !
So tell me what you think . thanks. !!
Anonymous, your theory is just as good as anyone else's but I must point out two things about it that come to mind, based on some past events and what Dompig said on TV recently.
Dompig said that the radars did not pick up any boats the night Natalee disappeared, but the FBI said on air (Greta I believe) that the radar cannot pick up small vessels in rough waters- something about the waves interfering with such a small craft's signature. My Aruban friend Natalia says that any boat leaving Aruba after dark would be suspicious anyway, so she thinks that any boat that took Natalee off the island would do so in the daytime!
If you read my articles posted above, you'll noptice that several cite the free trade ports as a big reason Aruba is such an attractive smuggling transit point. I can't help but wonder- could a person not be smuggled off the island in the same way? Using modified cointainers to smuggle living people is well-documented among customs and immigration officials, and of course smuggling a body off the island to dispose of later would be even better this way.
I do not think that Joran was last at the beach with Natalee- I'm sure he was with her elsewhere afterward. Now these girls disappearing and turning up later on the beach or in a hut with no recollection of the night before has happened before in Aruba- many Arubans actually told Dave and Beth this: "don't worry; this happens all the time. She'll show up in a day or two"
They know something we don't that they are afraid to tell or embarassed to tell. I think that Joran has kidnapped and drugged women before, and he has probably shared them with his personal friends at the very least. But with Natalee, something happened that was unexpected- someone didn't return her like usual, she died due to drug OD (Dompig is trying to blame the victim again, as if that will even work on Americans- that just pisses us off more), whatever. Now I do not buy that Joran lied again and again and Paulus helped him cover his ass because he panicked- no Joran is guilty of far more than that.
The fact of the matter remains: Joran was the last person we know was with Natalee. His family's property, the Kalpoes' home, their car, and the vehicles and homes of several of Joran's friends were never properly searched. And ALE can not offer anything more than lame excuses, insincere apologies, and their typical deny and shift the blame attitude.
Oh! Don't forget to mention anime, MUCKs, LARPS, Renaissance Festivals, Star Trek cons, and all those other geeky things! Don't forget those!
Thanks, Dan, I almost forgot!! Also, I'm sure you're busy with booger flicking contests, cow tipping, scab picking, lord of the rings trivia matches, brokeback mountaineering and many other loser activities. That explains fully while you run like a baby sheep from your critics by erasing them (not before many get a laugh!!) We forgive you, dilbert
whoever the creep is above this post is pitiful ! Leave Dasn the hell alone you scumbag jerkoff.
you are full of shit i have lived on aruba for 15 years and girls from the states have always come to aruba only to party and do drugs...........that doesnt mean it is arubas fault if an idiot was the last one to have anything to do with Nathalie, its between him and the family and justice........aruba is one of the best places to live in the world.....at least people dont disappear every single day like in the states.......
I find it hard to believe that on an island where as my Aruban friend Walter says everyone knows everyone, even who the chollars are, nobody knows anything to solve this case. Even the Dutch are beginning to question ALE's methods- which means that this is becoming an embarassment to them. The funny thing is, ultimately it is the Hauge's fault for giving Aruba independence way before it was ready, and letting the influence of organized crime supercede democracy.
Anonymous, you have only proven what I figured out long ago: the Aruban people just don't get it. The fact that there are thousands of missing persons in the U.S. (a nation which you conveniently forget has a population of 2800x greater than Aruba) does not change the fact that an AMERICAN girl is missing in ARUBA not the other way around. Arubans also do not seem to understand that what happened is not the issue and it never has been- the issue is how pathetic botht he ALE and the Oduber administration have been in making any headway in this case. 10 months later and they are still at the same point they were on June 1. Oh except now Aruba has a terrible reputation in the U.S.
If you happen to run into Janssen, Dompig, or Jacobs on the street why not ask them if they will create new jobs when Americans abandon Aruba like Aruba abandoned Dave and Beth? The blame for what happened to Natalee lies with a few people who aren't even Aruban, but the blame for everything that has happened since lies squarely with your polis and government. If you are wiling to support them ten months later, you have no right to complain about the death of Aruba's reputation.
if anonymous proved that 'arubans don't get it' then he also proved that you are a bigot who makes sweeping generalizations based on nationality. Do you have similar wide sweeping views based on peoples language, skin color or sexuality?
I've heard these same arguements and excuses again and again and AGAIN both in the media and through personal exchanges with Arubans, and from private individuals and Aruban officials and spin doctors. There's no 'sweeping generalizations' about it!
NOT ONE of these people seems to understand why Americans do not agree with them and are questioning Aruba's every move now- I'm not saying Arubans are dumb, there is just a kind of mental wall there.
They truly do not understand our position! They just do not understand that, like it or not, the points I bring up in "Get a Clue, Aruba" are all valid. Those points are what Americans have trouble swallowing about ALE's performance and that of the MEP and current Aruba government.
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